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		<title>By: rekonstruct</title>
		<link>http://happymortal.com/2009/01/indian-antibiotic-cocktails/comment-page-1/#comment-379</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know, sounds like vegan propaganda to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, sounds like vegan propaganda to me.</p>
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		<title>By: stonyhill</title>
		<link>http://happymortal.com/2009/01/indian-antibiotic-cocktails/comment-page-1/#comment-378</link>
		<dc:creator>stonyhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luckily for me, I have a deep well at the base of a state forest watershed, and my only upstream neighbors are woodpeckers, deer and bobcats. But I&#039;m not always at the house.

If there was ever a time to filter your water, and eat low on the food chain, it is now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luckily for me, I have a deep well at the base of a state forest watershed, and my only upstream neighbors are woodpeckers, deer and bobcats. But I&#8217;m not always at the house.</p>
<p>If there was ever a time to filter your water, and eat low on the food chain, it is now.</p>
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		<title>By: willwindow</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it&#039;s real fun.  The MSNBC &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28842607/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;report&lt;/a&gt; quoted one of the inhabitants of Patancheru as saying that when government official come to visit they won&#039;t drink any of the water offered to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s real fun.  The MSNBC <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28842607/" rel="nofollow">report</a> quoted one of the inhabitants of Patancheru as saying that when government official come to visit they won&#8217;t drink any of the water offered to them.</p>
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		<title>By: stonyhill</title>
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		<dc:creator>stonyhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 06:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cyberspace may actually end up providing us with eternal life. But that is a few years away. Meanwhile, we still exist here in meatspace, getting drugged by our upstream neighbors&#039; urine. Fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyberspace may actually end up providing us with eternal life. But that is a few years away. Meanwhile, we still exist here in meatspace, getting drugged by our upstream neighbors&#8217; urine. Fun.</p>
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		<title>By: willwindow</title>
		<link>http://happymortal.com/2009/01/indian-antibiotic-cocktails/comment-page-1/#comment-372</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right.  I think the distinction between the technological and the natural is helpful insofar as it gets at the issue of our relationship to the natural (dis)order.  How much power do we have to affect the biosphere?  And even if we have power are we just nature&#039;s puppets?  

Of course, there is always the possibility that we have more than one ontological locus, more than one location for our being.  Maybe we derive our being both from nature and from the technical.  It also becomes difficult (as it does with any binary) to maintain a strict delineation between nature and technology.  It seems pretty obvious that a jumbo jet is NOT natural.  But if we are a part of nature, then how can our inventions exist in a different sphere?  Or maybe, as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iep.utm.edu/z/zizek.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Zizek&lt;/a&gt; claims, once we have life 2.0, everything else is automatically life 1.0.  So maybe its technology all the way down.

This reminds me of issues raised in &lt;em&gt;The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/tech/books/1999/07/15/cyberspace/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pearly Gates&lt;/a&gt; of Cyberspace&lt;/em&gt; by Margaret Wertheim, in which Wertheim argues that cyberspace is the new sphere for the &quot;I,&quot; or the &quot;soul.&quot;  She maintains that the dominant materialist cosmologies have left us without a theoretical space for phenomena that we consider extra-physical (the soul, identity, the &quot;I&quot;).  For her, Cyberspace has opened up that spiritual space again.  Wertheim&#039;s answer to the charge that cyberspace is a physical phenomenon is not to deny its physicality but to describe it as an &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;emergent&lt;/a&gt; phenomenon&quot;--a complex phenomenon that arises out of a multiplicity of simple interactions, but that cannot be reduced to its simple components.  

I don&#039;t think Wertheim&#039;s arguments (whatever they are worth) solve any of these questions, but they do provide another frame for thinking nature-technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right.  I think the distinction between the technological and the natural is helpful insofar as it gets at the issue of our relationship to the natural (dis)order.  How much power do we have to affect the biosphere?  And even if we have power are we just nature&#8217;s puppets?  </p>
<p>Of course, there is always the possibility that we have more than one ontological locus, more than one location for our being.  Maybe we derive our being both from nature and from the technical.  It also becomes difficult (as it does with any binary) to maintain a strict delineation between nature and technology.  It seems pretty obvious that a jumbo jet is NOT natural.  But if we are a part of nature, then how can our inventions exist in a different sphere?  Or maybe, as <a href="http://www.iep.utm.edu/z/zizek.htm" rel="nofollow">Zizek</a> claims, once we have life 2.0, everything else is automatically life 1.0.  So maybe its technology all the way down.</p>
<p>This reminds me of issues raised in <em>The <a href="http://www.salon.com/tech/books/1999/07/15/cyberspace/" rel="nofollow">Pearly Gates</a> of Cyberspace</em> by Margaret Wertheim, in which Wertheim argues that cyberspace is the new sphere for the &#8220;I,&#8221; or the &#8220;soul.&#8221;  She maintains that the dominant materialist cosmologies have left us without a theoretical space for phenomena that we consider extra-physical (the soul, identity, the &#8220;I&#8221;).  For her, Cyberspace has opened up that spiritual space again.  Wertheim&#8217;s answer to the charge that cyberspace is a physical phenomenon is not to deny its physicality but to describe it as an &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence" rel="nofollow">emergent</a> phenomenon&#8221;&#8211;a complex phenomenon that arises out of a multiplicity of simple interactions, but that cannot be reduced to its simple components.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Wertheim&#8217;s arguments (whatever they are worth) solve any of these questions, but they do provide another frame for thinking nature-technology.</p>
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		<title>By: rekonstruct</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 19:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strangely, just had a conversation about this last night. Strikes me that we&#039;re in between two modeled systems here and we don&#039;t know which fits. Do we let the &quot;free market&quot; of natural selection take care of our interaction with our environment? Or, are we just inventive enough as a species, and just enough out of control that we act over and above nature&#039;s feedback mechanisms? 

I don&#039;t know. 

These questions can be asked another way in regards to our ontological locus. Is our locus the natural or the technological? It seems that an answer to this question begins to tease apart answers to the dilemma posed in your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strangely, just had a conversation about this last night. Strikes me that we&#8217;re in between two modeled systems here and we don&#8217;t know which fits. Do we let the &#8220;free market&#8221; of natural selection take care of our interaction with our environment? Or, are we just inventive enough as a species, and just enough out of control that we act over and above nature&#8217;s feedback mechanisms? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know. </p>
<p>These questions can be asked another way in regards to our ontological locus. Is our locus the natural or the technological? It seems that an answer to this question begins to tease apart answers to the dilemma posed in your post.</p>
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